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And guess what happened? Have we thrown out of the bible all the SUPERNATURAL POWER OF THE ALMIGHTY GOD? God doesnt like strange fire being mixed with His; its very distasteful. All I can say is that if Paul twice said he feared for the church of Corinth, then it shouId be ok for us to feel similar concern as well when it is warranted. But I guess thats what powerless religion us all about. Just think, the ark of the covenant was not permitted to be handled with hands of flesh, it had to be carried with poles, and not even just any poles, because it was HOLY. For the promise is to you and your children and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call. Please take a look. The coordinated attack on hisministry from both government agencies and news media organizations shows both are controlled by the same spirit of antichrist, confirming what has been revealed to me in dreams. Seymour then asked the one-armed man, Can you work with just the one arm? Ezekiel 10, 11, and 12 were recently given to me by God, and your, Bittrex US is closing its doors by April 30. Ultimately, God has to show this to you, not me. WebTorben is a preacher, teacher, and author who was born in 1976 in Herning, Denmark. That was my concern when I read that long, complicated, history focussed misguiding information posted by Chas351. In order to test the spirits, I am compelled to ask why in the hearings in this video, doesnt God use ones like He did in the NTthat are without question? He explained that the Lord always required him to begin his ministry this way. Such a sad time. WebTorben makes friends for himself and not for the Living Resurrected Lord of all. The rush of power into his person was so great that it caused him to fall on the floor. Every valley shall be filled And every mountain and hill brought low; The crooked places shall be made straight And the rough ways smooth; And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.. None of us are perfect. Everything God does is HOLY- EVERYTHING GOD DOES FOR US , IN IS AND THROUGH IS IS HOLY-His love is holy, His works are holy , His miracles are holy, His motives are holy EVERYTHING INITIATED AND COMPLETED BY MAN IS UNHOLY AND PROFANE! Correction It is up to you to make your decision about this "ministry". He is NOT MR. Wierdsville! Again I see Torbens ministry as very specific as it relates to showing the wonders and love of God to non-believers in the street. People can either answer yes I do what The Lord tells me to do , or then whatever they say , whatever it may sound like , they are really saying no I do not do everything The Lord tells me to do. September 17, 2019 by James Bailey 16 Comments. 
Yet when he went back up the mountain, God said to Moses, you write the law, you want it, and so while Moses was writing the law, God was telling him about His Son and grace. There are four visions of the Son of Man as He is known in the heavenly realm & each vision in turn carries through to completion one aspect of the fourfold ministry which He exercised when on earth. Having said that however, God never asks us to throw our common sense out the window. Thomas Harry This is what every believer should be doing preach the gospel, heal the sick, cast out demons. This is just my personal belief and not only will we do all that God commands us, but His very Glory will go before us. Where do you get your identity? A GLOWING FACE that appears WEIRD enough to scare others (Bearing I mind I can only talk about it in accordance with my gift, others like scribes might be able to go into in greater depth and detail etc, but for me I have to keep it simple, and that is ok I think because different gifts have different benefits.). When my dad died, I lost it and wept, my emotions were running wild and I was broken. Just a guess but I expect we will have to wait for another 2 months before we see signs of a return to clients, 3) to inspire reverence or godly fear or awe We are living in a dark age where sin and selfishness have been taking over the church. It is the anointing that he wants to transfer onto people. Sondergaard, as he prayed for the sick on the streets and in the supermarkets of America. After watching the second video, I can see the value of praying with people after talking to them about Jesus. God will move you along as fast as your faith will allow. They will be, Perfect! He had gout and after two weeks of taking his meds and diet, he was still getting worse. Glory to your Holy name. Jesus hasnt changed! 
But let Gods people yield to Jesus and let their Jesus light shine out of them and the world will begin to hate Gods people, will begin to respect Gods people, will begone to fear Gods people and multitudes will begin to LISTEN TO GODS PEOPLE for the lost sheep will begin hear the voice of the Shepherd IN HIS PEOPLE AND WILL FOLLOW HIM. 
Watchful- THIS work of God in us is holiness. Gods word teaches in 1 John 3 & 4 that the Holy Spirit resides in us. Jesus often did. Your important statement, `the simplicity of Christ,` leads us to the very first Key. Look at the FAITH shown in His Prayer of John 17. The Transfiguration was either TELEPORTING or GHOSTS APPEARING..which the bible condemns calling up spirits of the dead. 
17 minutes of a guy basically saying be healed in Jesus name and they are better. He was a new believer who just found out about the Grace of God, the redemption of the cross, the Word of God. Christs Kingdom is under the control of Jesus and all who are in it obey Him. Those who are baptized have the ability to live completely above sin. etc, support Bob Jones. And the time has come to start in that direction. Amen. All others are imitations as Scripture warns. If on the other hand a man (like Torbin) comes doing miracles in Jesus name preached the message of the cross of Christ , calls for repentance and faith alone in Christ Jesus and whose godly lifestyle can be verified by those in the community who have know him personally THAT MAN IS SENT BY GOD! WebTorben is a preacher, teacher, and author who was born in 1976 in Herning, Denmark. 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I dont know if anyone has given this update or not but Torben was arrested here in the U.S. the beginning of July on suspicion of smuggling weapons into America. Initially, he was shocked. Rachel Baxter Awesome testimony, Barry Schmidt. The companies were formed over a eight month period with the most recent being incorporated seven years ago in June of 2015. The day is coming when nobody will question who is of God and who is not, because gross darkness will cover the earth and the people, but the glory of the Lord will be SEEN upon HIS people! Danish Evangelist Torben Sondergaard, shown above with his family, founded and headed a ministry in Denmark called The Jesus Center, which trained disciples from thirty nations. When He praised the faith of people, it was not because of their orthodox theology, or the fact that they belonged to some organization, but on account of their simple faith in His person, http://awildernessvoice.com/OneBodyInChrist-Chapt06.html, Roger..Absolutely Beautiful. What was the root practice in baptism? it was the Jewish Mikvah, which was extremely important, even more important than the synagogue or the Torah scroll, which they could sell to build the Mikvah. (kings of the east?) May we look beyond the instrument and method that Almighty God will choose to use at His discretion and give Him the glory and recognition for His involvement in our individual lives..? I can perform this trick myself. QUIT TRYING TO PUT HIM IN A BOX OF YOUR OWN MAKING. This is what has happened throughout history and is nothing new. Another thing that delineates the two from one another is the issue of simplicity, this is very important, and I have been asking the Lord to define simplicity as HE means it, because I dont know how to capture it in words, but I think it does at least partly have to do with the right hand not knowing what the left is doing, as well as being CAREFUL not to make an idol of the things of God, the miracles, etc. This genuine move pf God will be marked by a sincer and genuine acceptance of sinners where they are and with all their irreligious lifestyle. Miracles, signs, and wonders could be anything that has already been mentioned in the scriptures.both OT and NT..or even beyond those things.because the miracles and wonders that Jesus did the 40 days AFTER His ascension HAVE NOT BEEN WRITTEN FOR US TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE. He said it and that settles it. Official Update on Torben Sondergaard: March 7, 2023. Spend longer, check things out better before calling people names. As to his methods of making YouTube videos and posting them, why shouldnt he. Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side. Seems that every time the Lord does something through someone, that is when the enemy wants to come in and steal kill and destroy, that which He has done. The man removed the wooden leg and stood before Seymour standing on his one good leg. To accredit the winsome and wonderful man Christ Jesus with convulsions, animal noises, crears, hundreds of people acting completely out of control, jerking , wild shaking, out of control mocking laughter- to attribute these to Jesus is blasphemy and just plain stupid! The staff of Moses that he had in his hand turned into a snake as a sign to the Egyptians, we do not read of this miracle occurring later outside of Egypt..so think about what it was speaking to them. He is an independent agent creating his own kingdom of the world, presenting it as the Kingdom of God. Finally a few good religious folk got ahold of him, and told him he couldnt do that. My kids and I actually went out and did it too. Lets be respectful to one another as co-inheritors of the Kingdom and not act in our flesh. Jonathan, as a born again believer/a Christian, I eagerly await the soon return of the Lord Jesus Christ WHO IS returning for me/us/ Christians, to take us to the mansions that He has prepared for us (John 14:2), Paul said It is a flow of the Living Waters of the Spirit Himself when our SELF/FLESH BOWS DOWN AND SURRENDERS. Indeed, this is something we need to seriously consider and pray about doing. It is not open season for all our opinions as we each have those, & plenty of them. 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What excited my heart was the fact that he is discipling & mentoring others as the Lord said. Praise the Lord! And to go forward into the `true,` is to `know Christ more,` as the Apostle Paul & Roger, here, have encouraged us to do. He believes this is a vital part of true disciple- So this relates to the videos because not always doing what The Lord says is the same as not always listening to what He says. Thats what I said..manifesting His tangible Presence AND HIS NATURE. As a result, he became a punching bag on Danish TV as guests on news programspushed for a new law against Christians who allegedly inflicted mental violence against children through healings and deliverance. So the real test is that you will react to something the way Jesus wants you to react, and you are unable to do that if you dont always listen and obey. The next 15 years he and his wife served God with spreading the Gospel and church planting in different cities around Denmark. THEN they INQUIRED OF THE LORD to see why their men were slaughtered. Torben is the real deal because he seeks Christ and Christ alone. Looking into Kraken & eToro for, These prophecies were written thousands of years ago and remain unfulfilled but are just as active and alive as theyve. The Cross Only the Death Sentence Will Avail is lacking. Former followers, former board members of the organisation, the press, other churches, and professionals have described his organisation, The Last Reformation, as extreme, dangerous, and a cult. If a person is suffering, I would rejoice that their suffering is over. The spirit of antichrist controlling our mainstream news media is not limited to those aligned with the far left either, as some have mistakenly assumed. Unfortunately, my blog has been down for a bit, and I havent had a chance to get it back up. And he cast it on the ground, and it became a serpent; and Moses fled from before it. Thank you Roger for letting us know he`s OK. Tell him he is missed & know that God is with him. One day, when he was 16, his mother had a stroke. Remove the hardness and scar tissues of doubt, unbelief, ungodly fear and incredulity we recieved from those days of past deception. ! Seymour spoke with a man who had lost his arm ten years earlier through a work-related accident. This means we ALREADY HAVE THIS REVIVAL LIGHT OF JESUS IN US SHINING! eerie suggests an uneasy or fearful consciousness that mysterious and malign powers are at work . They are not satisfied with belonging to Jesus, they would make Jesus belong to them. Just as God turns unrepentant sinners over to their sins, He will send strong delusion to those who want to be deceived. Sorry, but Torben is so real and sincere.. Are you ready for a mass exodus from WIERDSVILLE ? Let Gods holy fire and righteousness blaze like a torch WebHe was fully ordained in 1990 by Bethel Missionary Baptist Church under Pastor John L. Reamer where approximately 10 years later he became the Pastor and continues there today. Torben Sndergaard also teaches Holiness doctrine, believing it is possible to live sin-free and that freedom from sin is a product of baptism by immersion. Andrew, you and your followers are in huge trouble. Ive only brought a dose of reality to the discussions, with some serious, and important, things to think about. And if this same man TELEPORTED right in front of the crowd of people, or multiplied MANNA for the crowd of people.THAT YOU WOULD BELIEVE? i would be interested in your comments on Isaiah Saldivar who has miracles happening on the streets, in his home and in church. I was all ears! That is the way the Pharisees operated with Jesus. J. a brief video (above) where Torben discusses the amazing things that Ha, ha, ha! I think you had better check those scriptures again. I know that I was once lost, repented, baptized and filled with His Spirit and, like Torden and his friend on the video said, we not only hear the Word, but we see the evidence of the Word. I do not consider any of the miracles Jesus did in any way wierd. Prophetic Nurse Barry I am that lady!! In his absorption, he had not observed that anything had taken place in me. Thank you for your `now,` perspective in the Lord, sister. writings and his preaching. Jhn 17:17 NASB (YOU) SANCTIFY THEM IN THE TRUTH; Your word is truth. Here is your test- Bitter and sweet water do not flow forth from the same fountain. To date they only hear and see at best a cheap immigration of Jesus works and voice in His people. It is good to testify, in simplicity, and as the Lord leads when it is seemly and glorifying to Him, but it is not for us to try and make it into something. Dont get into a RUT and EXPECT the Holy Spirit to work in the same way He did the last time you noticed Him working. Even the promise od Jesus coming is questioned . WebWe are here to tell you the truth about Torben Sondergaard and The Last Reformation. Everything about those involved will be ordinary and normal EXCEPT GOD ALMIGHTY WILL BE POWERFULLY PRESENT in supernatural demonstrations of miracle working power, deep heartfelt repentance and devotion to Jesus. If I were to just watch the first video, I would definitely right Torben off as one more phony. Trenton D. Adams wrote: By recognizing the spirit operating over our news media, we can avoidspeaking to them altogether, giving them no opportunity to twist our words for their evil purposes. Got kids?Yes.This man needs to be able to make a living. Jeffrey A. Tucker He wanted all men to come to Him and have koinonia with Him, but He did not intend that those did come Him should have any exclusive group around Him. Of ourselves,we can do nothing! Seymour replied, Im just upset because you have the wooden leg on. www.TheLastReformation.com Torben Sndergaard | Orlando ship. Acts 5:38-39 
After ministry, the leg grew out. To my utter astonishment she replied, Especially when it starts out with leg lengthening which seems to have been one of the frauds / hucksters favorite tricks. God in Christ is always the Origninal Prototype in healing. I did nothing of myself ! It would be far too obvious if someone were to claim to be Jesus, to dismiss them. EVERYTHING IN THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS BASED ON FAITH/TRUST AND SURRENDER. John the Dreamer Are multitudes of people following anything proof of it spiritual authenticity? Andrew, I am very disappointed that I come here with what I think is grace and humility attempting to speak from Gods word, and yet the response is more name calling and calling me to repentance. If legs are lengthened, I say, Halleluia and thank you Jesus. This is what is fundamentally and pervasively wrong with the religious zealots of today- they are trying to usurp and replace what ONLY Jesus can do IN THEM AND THROUGH THEM. Just like the I stand by my statements that all the supposed healings in these videos cannot be objectively proven by the video evidence alone. Thank you Barry, & Gary I read about Wigglesworth from your link, & appreciated it also. He had no interest in any institutional organization with worldly offices and laws. Walking by the Holy Spirit is being FILLED with DIVINE Love, DIVINE Peace, DIVINE Faith, DIVINE Joy, DIVINE Meekness, DIVINE Longsuffering, DIVINE Temperance, DIVINE Gentleness, DIVINE Goodness. Andrew Strom COMMENTS? I left it that and said, Lord Thy will be done 
He sold all he had, quit his job and moved to Redding California, in what he thought was faith, to get his wife healed. Diana Pulliam In fact, they should welcome any such testing. God uses His Word to instill the truth within our hearts. Mental facilities will be empty because everyone will be given a sound mind, just like the man with the legion of demons in him. Next, Sister Lankford told of the man with no arm. Chelsea Hagen David repentance is exactly what Torben preaches. And thank you Andrew and Torben. back there. He is currently being held in Baker County Detention Center in North Florida. I will be praying for Torben. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQrTjbzbByA. This is the belief that the church, after the first century, lost important truths and fell into apostasy. Those who are the Sons of G-d are led by Him- Romans 8:14. a mans steps are ordered by the Lord, and He ponders all of his goingsthis is the word I received while watching this videoHe watches over His Word to Perform It! ** Or has it being ongoing amongst everyday people since He was sent to indwell those whom God draws to Himself..? For an overview of his case and earlier updates, please visit friendsoftorben.com. As an aside, God doesnt need to use any of us to heal anyone. Centre for Research on Globalization Will you tithe if I pray for you and God gives you your arm back? this man has understanding of what it is all about, going to the needy.Groups of youth go out in Redding, Ca to pray for people. No indeed Trenton, I dont think hes a charlatan either, the thought never even entered my mind. 430 talking about this. and he says to them depart from Me, you worker of iniquity. That is why he and I agree on so many things. Remember Moses staff and miracles brother? 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